After many years and $$$$ searching for that pale pink or nude lipliner, I have finally found it of all places, at Sephora. Lucky me, as it was purely by accident. I tried them all and said one day, what the heck, I will not give up. All other brands, department and drugstore, turned either brown, taupey-brown, orange, coral, pinky red, red and yes, even that lovely shade of RUST. Yum. Saks, Barneys..you name it, I've been there.
These are by far the best in color and formula. The two I purchased for the nude/pink (not dead) mouth are #871B & #861B.
Major brands cannot come close to their selection of numerous shades and cannot compete with price. You will find your color, I promise.
I only hope they keep on making them. I will pray. PSS. They r made in France. I should have known.